One way I try to stay
on top of things related to religion in Canada is by reaching out to scholars
who study religion in this country—my scholarly "hive mind,” as I call them. Space in the newspaper doesn’t permit
me to use everything they say in response to my questions, such as for my recent column about the lack of evidence for a
youth revival in Canada. Below find their full responses
to the question of whether or not there is a religious revival in Canada among
youth, in response to a recent study that was unable to find evidence for it.
Sam Reimer, Professor
of Sociology, Crandall University
I thought it (the Canadian
study) was a pretty balanced report. I
think I have heard enough anecdotal evidence from a wide variety of religious
leaders to conclude that there are pockets across Canada where young people are
engaging in Christianity in greater numbers than in the recent past.
I am not yet convinced
that we are seeing revival or that Gen Z is more religiously committed than
older generations. There is some polling evidence of an upsurge in religious
participation of young men particularly, but I would like to see more consistent
evidence over a longer period of time to be convinced.
Rick Hiemstra, director
of the Centre for Research on Church and Faith, Evangelical Fellowship of
Canada
As we all try to figure
out what may be going on, I think it's important to point out that different
people in this conversation are working with different kinds of evidence.
Sociologists are mainly looking to either peer-reviewed studies or polls from reputable
polling companies. Church leaders, however, can directly observe what they see
happening in their ministries.
Scholarly caution is
commendable, however, there will necessarily be a gap between what is happening
now and what scholarship may confirm in the future. We won’t have the studies
that could confirm or refute the purported Gen-Z revival unless people actually
do these studies, and this will depend on such studies being funded.
Because most
sociological research in Canada is funded by the federal government, funding in
the near term doesn’t seem that likely. I only saw significant government
funding for research on evangelicals flow when there were competitive parties
vying for government with prominent evangelical leadership.
Moreover, Gen-Z is a
population that is difficult to access because they are minors, and because
those in churches tend to be suspicious of the academy’s motives. This makes it
more unlikely that these data will be produced by the academy.
There are ways that I
would suggests data could be gathered. There are major evangelical youth
conferences that happen across the country. These include pan-denominational
conferences such as Change Conference, Ambassadors For Christ’s Teen’s
Conference, Today’s Teens Conference, and One Con. Denominations also hold
large denominational youth events.
In my conversations
with event organizers, I have heard that these events have had the largest
numbers in years and some of them have had to move to larger venues to
accommodate the events. These organizers have statistics of their event sizes
over years. I’m sure that many of them would give you those numbers if asked.
I had a conversation
with a prominent youth ministry leader recently about the scholarly skepticism
about what is happening, and he said, “We know what’s happening. If you can’t
grow your youth ministry right now, you’re doing something wrong.” There is bemusement
about the scholarly skepticism.
Who is best positioned
to actually know? Who actually has data, or is likely to have data? Right now,
it’s the people in churches and youth ministries. I’ve seen many articles
citing and commenting on scholarly studies or polls. I’ve seen few where reporters
or scholars actually talked to people doing youth ministry. It’s not all
anecdotal evidence. There are ministry structures that collect data. Many of
these datasets are either public, or ministries would be happy to provide if
asked.
It just seems that
we’re having this conversation about youth ministry over here, and not
involving those people over there that we’re actually talking about. Why?
Paul Bramadat, Religion,
Culture and Society Program/Centre for Studies in Religion and Society, University
of Victoria
The Canadian study reports
because that 59% of 18-34 year-olds say yes to "Do you believe that God or
a higher power exists?" that therefore "young Canadians’ relationship
with faith falls largely in line with that of older generations."
It seems to me that the
word "or" is, or may be doing a lot of work in this question. With a
follow-up series of questions, and ideally with some interviews and
observations we might learn what this cohort means by "higher power"
- but it's a pretty accommodating term, and I wonder if the writers are reading
it in the most optimistic way.
It seems to me that
there have been so many shifts in the meanings we might attribute to
"relationship with faith" not to mention "God or a higher
power" over the last many decades that it doesn't make a lot of sense to
conclude that a fairly robust number - 59% - of yes responses means that these
younger adults' religious'/spiritual lives would be legible to "older
generations".
That's not to say we
don't need to pay attention to the anecdotes we hear from time to time about a
"revival" among Canadian young people that might slow/stop/reverse
the slide many people have been tracing, esp. in established Christian
denominations — but many of us are old enough to remember how often people
(esp. Reg Bibby) have claimed/hoped this in the last few decades.
Joel Thiessen, Professor
of Sociology and Director, Flourishing Congregations Institute, Ambrose
University
I have lots of thoughts
on this Canadian report, and on the wider array of reports and discussions
regarding the reported revival among young people.
Overall, I think it offers
a measured interpretation. If anything, I would have been a bit stronger and
more categorical in stating that the evidence in this report does not support
revival narratives. I had an excellent conversation with the author. I think
she would agree they could have been even stronger on this account.
I’m leery of putting
much stock in "anecdotes" and "perceptions" of religious
revival, often by well intentioned church leaders that are highly influential
with other church leaders (several that are cited in this Canadian report). My
caution is that while individual churches or youth conferences might experience
growth – which I have no reason to doubt – this may or may not be the same as
growth across an entire country, which is the frame of reference here. Source
of growth also matters too (e.g., circulation of the saints vs new
conversion-based growth), which we seem to know little about in these claims of
religious revival.
A popular refrain
appears that I hear from church leaders: "If crises in meaning, mental
health, and longing for community lead young people to explore faith and attend
church, Canadian youth would seem to be likely candidates for a faith journey"
(p.10). Piles of sociological data show that in people's minds, religion is A
source rather than THE source to resolve these experienced challenges.
Related, unless people
are socialized into a religious tradition - which is less common today than in
previous generations - it is rare (not impossible) that they will suddenly turn
to a religious group to resolve life's challenging experiences.
Rarely am I seeing
anyone define revival. When I think about revival, I’m thinking about a
reversal of trends (i.e., figures increased), measured in a multitude of ways
(e.g., religious identification, religious beliefs such as belief in God or the
afterlife or the importance of one's religion to their daily life, and a range
of practices such as religious service attendance, reading religious texts,
etc.) over a longer period of time (maybe 10+ years?).
Thus far, I’m
unconvinced by anecdotes or evidence that a revival is in play, in part because
we don’t have longitudinal data to support a sustained reversal. But scholars
and church leaders alike must remain open to the possibility of revival if, in
fact, the data support that over a longer period of time.
IF a revival is
underway, there is a lot of anecdotal stories and speculation among church
leaders and some media outlets as to why – immigration; polarization and
doubling down in conservative settings; birth rates; quest for meaning and
purpose amidst anxiety, depression, and the absence of certainty/anchors in
late modern society; religious influencers. But until we speak to those who are
returning and/or finding Christian faith anew, these are all just speculations.
This would be a great opportunity to do good scholarly work into why a revival
is occurring, if it really is occurring.
In concert with what
others are saying, it is important that we pay attention where there are
(reported) ‘signs of life.’ It’s possible that pockets of religious vitality
exist against the backdrop of broad religious decline and/or, at least, in the
absence of religious revival. And we need (and have) good scholarship to
explain how and why those pockets of vitality exist without conflating these
pockets for widespread revival.
In many ways this is
the central premise of our work at the Flourishing Congregations Institute – we
explore where there are signs of congregational life amidst a broadly secular
and ‘deficit based’ context that remains the backdrop in much of Canada.
News of retracting the
‘Quiet Revival’ report reminds us of why many scholars were reticent to quickly
accept a set of interpretations that were so wildly different from prevailing
data and interpretations to that point. It’s shortsighted to make grand declarations
for or against mass religious shifts without longitudinal data.
Even still, with the retraction,
the re-framing provided remains a (wishful) revival narrative. As Reg Bibby
often says, ‘we need to keep the tape rolling’ … though my hunch from the data
to this point remains that we are not witnessing a revival, at least thus far.
Rachel Brown, Director
of the Religion, Culture and Society Program, University of Victoria
From what has been
said, there is not much new to add in terms of the actual studies and their
validity.
I did want to say that
I have received some very interesting responses to the idea of a religious
revival from my undergraduate students out here in Victoria. Our students are
highly non-religious, and yet when I spoke to them about this idea and the studies
that are coming out (no matter their issues), the students enthusiastically
stated that they feel like there is in fact a revival happening among their Gen
Z peers.
This lands with them in
terms of what they are witnessing within their social circles. Now this is just
more anecdotal data, but I am struck by how much this resonated with my
students, especially out here in the None Zone.
I hope some folks do
some research on this in the coming years to see if these anecdotes turn into
anything of real note, or not, which is also good data.
Sarah Kathleen Johnson,
St. Paul’s University
I agree with the others
that the data does not support a large-scale Gen Z “revival,” and that
“revival” is largely a matter of interpretation (and perhaps wishful thinking)
among church leaders.
I am a co-PI on the
Youth People and Christian Worship (YPCW) study that aims to shape different
conversations about young people and Christian worship. This research is
invested in challenging two of the common models that underlie the “revival”
discussion: deficit models that focus on the absence of young people from
worshiping communities, and transactional models that focus on asking young
people what they want in order to give them what they want to get them to
attend worship services more often.
In contrast, the YPCW
study is focused on listening to young people who are already actively
religious. It is anchored in the conviction that young worshipers have
experiences and insights that can enrich the theology and practice of all
participants in Christian worship. In other words, in contrast to the revival
question, “Are more young people going to worship?” or the transactional
question, "What can we do to get more young people to go to worship?"
we ask “What can we learn about worship from young people?”
YPCW is a binational,
mixed-methods, ecumenical study. The qualitative research engaged young people
aged 13 to 29 at nine sites across Canada and the United States in Roman
Catholic, Mainline Protestant, and Evangelical Protestant traditions of
worship. The quantitative component is a nationwide survey in the United States
conducted in collaboration with Springtide Research Institute. All data has
been through an initial round of coding, although we remain in the early stages
of analysis. The primary focus is liturgy, but there are points of connection
to other themes.
The website can be found here:
https://www.samford.edu/worship-arts/young-people-and-christian-worship
David Seljak, St.
Jerome’s University
Rick made the following
observation: “It just seems that we’re having this conversation about youth
ministry over here, and not involving those people over there that we’re
actually talking about. Why?”
In fact, this
conversation among sociologists of religion, is a response to news reports that
exclusively rely on the reports from “those people over there that we’re
actually talking about.” Relying on reports from participants is necessary but
not sufficient. For example, when you ask victims of crime (or others
Americans) if crime in the U.S. is going up, most say yes, even though
statistically we know it is going down. So, yes, do include the voices of
pastors, church leaders, and young people, but as Joel (and others) argue, that
is step one.
Like Paul, this exchange
reminded me of Reginald Bibby’s analysis of the rapid church growth of urban
evangelical congregations in the 1980s. The participants (pastors, church
leaders, and church goers) all hailed it as a revival. Reg Bibby and Merlin
Brinkerhoff showed that these churches were mostly attracting other
conservative evangelicals, labelling it the “circulation of the saints.” I
imagine that if we polled the growing number of young people involved in youth
programs we would find the same thing.
I would not want to
dismiss this phenomenon. We should study why there is growth and a new vitality
in the programs Rick highlighted. But is it evidence of a “revival”?
In the 1990s, Bibby and
Brinkerhoff softened (but did not reject) the “circulation of the saints”
thesis. By 2002, Bibby even wrote about a religious renaissance in Canada
(Restless Gods: The Renaissance of Religion in Canada.). Other scholars of
religion were skeptical.
Subsequently, the
Canadian Census—along with a variety of other polling instruments discussed in
those humdrum, behind-the-times, peer-reviewed journals–showed that Bibby was
engaging in wishful thinking. The number of Canadians identifying as religious continued
to decline. Bibby himself said that his thesis of a religious renaissance
“might have been to exaggerate developments a bit.”
Scholars can be
forgiven for stating that, while there are reports of a religious revival among
young people and they should be examined seriously, they do not see sufficient
evidence for it. No one has said categorically that it is not happening—just
that there is not sufficient evidence for it and loads of evidence pointing in
the other direction. It seems to me that the burden of proof is on those who
are arguing for a revival to make their case. And as far as I am concerned, the
case has not been made.
Also check out: Tales of Great Revival: If only it was clear they were
true, by Stuart
Macdonald, retired professor of church history at Knox College. An excerpt:
When it comes to a
broader “revival,” I wish this was true. I even hope it’s true. To be clear — I
would love to see the Church of England growing, Pentecostal communities
growing, the Church of Scotland growing, as well as denominations in Canada
growing, including Alliance churches, Lutheran churches, the United Church of
Canada, the Anglican Church of Canada, and my own denomination, the
Presbyterian Church in Canada. I would love to see the entire church growing.
I’m open to evidence that Christian traditions England or the United States are
growing. I’d be happy to see clear evidence in Canada that any of our Christian
traditions is growing.
At the moment having
carefully read the studies that have made the headlines, I remain unconvinced.
There does not seem to be clear evidence to support the narratives of a
revival, or even an end to religious decline.